Interchange Conference Transcript
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[Message #1 07:34:19 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
In Carroll's _Alice_, Alice and Humpty Dumpty have the following exchange about 1xbet sports betting : "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make 1xbet sports betting mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master -- that is all"(163).
Humpty Dumpty's comment suggests that language is more about the *person* who uses words than the words themselves. How does Nick's experience with the 1xbet sports betting "frindle" support Humpty Dumpty's statement? What does Nick's experience tell us about how words work?
[Message #2 09:46:45 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
The fact that Nick was just an average, grade school kid makes for an interesting plot. It's not like he was english expert trying to invent a new 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #3 09:47:38 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #2: So, Laura, anyone can be a "master" of 1xbet sports betting , to use Humpty-Dumpty's terms?
[Message #4 09:49:06 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
Using Frindle as an example, yes I agree. Nick's experience gives the individual power over 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #5 09:49:11 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
As with any 1xbet sports betting they have been made up by many people. As you said laura Nick was just an average kid. In study linguistics, "language is universal" someone has to come up with the words right?
[Message #6 09:49:36 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
Yes, anyone can be the master of a 1xbet sports betting . Think of a little baby. When he says "dah, dah," his father knows what he is referring to. Another example is when biological twins have their own 1xbet sports betting amongst themselves. No one really understands their communication but themselves.
[Message #7 09:50:52 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
Taireeq:I agree, it should not be a matter of age or educational background that defines whom can shape a 1xbet sports betting . A langauge is just that, a comman way that EVERYONE can use to communicate, and by that definition, everyone can shape and change it.
[Message #8 09:51:44 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
Does Nick have unlimited control over creation of his 1xbet sports betting , though?
[Message #9 09:52:04 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Nick's individual power with the 1xbet sports betting "frindle" did start an uproar, because individuals only want to stick with what has already been set in stone (the dictionary). No where does it say that today I can't make up a 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #10 09:53:09 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
The limit to Nick's power is the willingness of others to accept his 1xbet sports betting . If the others kids had just scoffed at him, the 1xbet sports betting would never have become popular.
[Message #11 09:53:10 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
No, after he makes up his 1xbet sports betting , it spreads out of his control. No one person should be able to control the creation with absolute power.
[Message #12 09:55:13 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Dr. Westman, No I don't believe that there should be a limit to a 1xbet sports betting , because it hasn't been set in stone. When someone starts something new there is always a controversy.
[Message #13 09:56:37 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #12:Oh, I agree, Tareeq, but I guess I'm asking whether the story suggests that Nick may not have been able to have complete control over his 1xbet sports betting , once he put it out there for others to use.
[Message #14 09:56:40 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
This reminds me of slang. Just try to stop 1xbet sports betting . 1xbet sports betting doesn't happen. Yet a decade later, the words are obsolete.
[Message #15 09:58:36 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
Our current english 1xbet sports betting is a melting pot of other languages. Many words that we use now are entirely different then their original intent; is that a bad thing?
[Message #16 09:59:09 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
What would this world be like without controvery of some sort. Pretty boring I think. When something is out of the "norm" (like purple hair, or Jennifer Lopez and a revealing dress) people start to talk and question just as they did in 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #17 09:59:32 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
I do not think that he has complete control over his 1xbet sports betting . He loses control the second the other kids start using it.
No, I don't think that's a bad thing-that's just 1xbet sports betting evolving.
[Message #18 09:59:56 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #15: _Frindle_ suggests it is, I think -- would the rest of you agree? That is, the story is a call for us to recognize the fluidity of 1xbet sports betting .
What makes 1xbet sports betting challenge ok, though, and not just a game?
[Message #19 10:01:37 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
Taureeq: Oh, that is good and very true. Controversy drives much social interaction and attracts attention to the subject at hand much more redialy then the usual and mundane.
[Message #20 10:01:39 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Knight, I agree that 1xbet sports betting is in a melting pot of other languages. That is what makes Americans different from say Chinese or Hispanics. When it all boils down our languages all derieved from the same places.
[Message #21 10:02:21 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think that's what makes languages so fascinating--the fact that no one person can control it. That's not a bad thing; it's just reality. The fact that Nick was applying thoughts from english class and actually experimenting with a new 1xbet sports betting made it an innocent game. His plot was not evil at all.
[Message #22 10:03:31 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
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[Message #23 10:04:28 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
Dr. Westman: I think that Nick's challenge is ok because others took up his 1xbet sports betting . If language belongs to us all, then 'majority' decides that it wants to use a new 1xbet sports betting , just like in _Frindle_
[Message #24 10:04:52 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Dr. Westman Nick's challenge is okay, because he believed that if anyone could make up a 1xbet sports betting why couldn't he. The key is he believed that his 1xbet sports betting could be a 1xbet sports betting and he stood up for what he thought was right.
[Message #25 10:05:50 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
We've been talking about the freedom of language so far. But what does Nick's loss of control (or the difficulties he faces as he implements his 1xbet sports betting ) tell us about how language works?
[Message #26 10:08:13 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
I think it tells us that the individual has little power in deciding 1xbet sports betting . If we could all control langauge as an individual, then we would all be speaking a diffrent 1xbet sports betting and unable to communicate properly (Just like in CarrollÆs _Alice_).
[Message #27 10:08:24 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
Language is almost like a conceptual theory. You can't sit down one day and rewrite the entire English language. It's formed as a compilation of thoughts and ideas over centuries. Nick's loss of control of his 1xbet sports betting shows that. People as a whole chose to change their language.
[Message #28 10:09:35 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #26: So, language is a collaborative effort, with "gatekeepers" like the editors of the dictionary? Nick's success at getting his 1xbet sports betting in the dictionary suggests that the book may end up endorsing "the rules" in the end...
[Message #29 10:09:45 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
I think that 1xbet sports betting shows us how easily words and meanings are conveyed. Does anyone know the time frame between the time Nick makes the Frindle and when he's on CNN? Or does the book not tell us?
[Message #30 10:12:23 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
1xbet sports betting was within the same schoolyear. He was still in 5th grade.
[Message #31 10:13:29 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
Dr Westman: I tend to agree with that statement about "the rules". It shows that there must be some amount of structure in 1xbet sports betting ; there are always rules that keep order, even in 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #32 10:14:12 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #31: So, perhaps we could claim that a book 1xbet sports betting rebellion becomes a book 1xbet sports betting the value of the rules?
[Message #33 10:15:28 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Karin Westman:
****To wrap 1xbet sports betting this part of our conversation, take a look back over the conference postings, and offer a final posting here:
Identify two themes 1xbet sports betting see developing in Clement's _Frindle_ and an example to illustrate each one.
[Message #34 10:18:12 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Laura Heck:
One theme in _Frindle_ is that of creativity. If Nick hadn't had the original thought of making up a 1xbet sports betting , none of the events that followed could have happened. The 1xbet sports betting "frindle" wouldn't have ended up in the dictionary. A second theme is the power of language. The fact that an ordinary boy could end up creating a 1xbet sports betting and having it accepted as a real 1xbet sports betting is amazing.
[Message #35 10:19:06 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
I don't think that Nick losses control. But a stubborn ( Mrs. Granger) society saying that only scholars can write/make up words in our world. I don't think 1xbet sports betting is any one persons' place to say what is right or wrong or even what goes.
[Message #36 10:20:47 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Knight Patrick:
1 Thinking outside of the normal is a positive.
Nick is diffrent then the rest of the kids. This is shown in a mostly positive light, minus the confusion that 1xbet sports betting often creates.
2 1xbet sports betting is moldable
If somebody --like Nick-- creates a 1xbet sports betting and the majority pick up on it, then it has the ability to change the english language.
[Message #37 10:21:40 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
1.) The idea that there are unlimited meaning of words ex.) 1xbet sports betting -pen.
2.) There is minimal control over created words ex.) once Nick creates the 1xbet sports betting 'frindle' and other people start using it, he loses control over the 1xbet sports betting .
[Message #38 10:22:00 AM, Thursday, January 30, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
I agree with laura about a theme for Frindle. It is a book of creativity and also how language is universal. Creating a 1xbet sports betting and having the world back you up is cool.