Interchange Conference Transcript
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[Message #1 09:29:04 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
In Act I, Nora frequently acts as Torvald's "little lark" and "squirrel"(1131-2); by the end of Act III, Nora tells Torvald 1xbet online casino had "duties to [her]self"(1176) and that 1xbet online casino must leave him and the children. Does the picture of Nora's character in the opening scene and in Act I prepare us at all for the Nora of Act III? Why or why not?
As you respond to the questions above, try to find examples to support your interpretations. Feel free to address just one of 1xbet online casino questions in your first posting, too, so that we can get the discussion rolling....
[Message #2 10:16:40 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Patrick Knight:
The audience is completely unprepared for the one hundred and eighty degree turn that Nora provides. 1xbet online casino begins as subservient to Torvald and ends as Independent with Torvald subservient to her.
[Message #3 10:16:49 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
No-In Act I Nora seems to be that loving mother and wife. It is not until the beginning of Act II that 1xbet online casino starts to question where 1xbet online casino stands. It is also the guilt that 1xbet online casino feels.
[Message #4 10:16:57 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Katie Patterson:
I think that some of these same characteristics in Nora are seen at the beginning of the play. At the beginning, 1xbet online casino doesn't seem to be exactly strong but I think that 1xbet online casino has an inner strength that comes about at the end of the play.
[Message #5 10:17:17 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
No, I don't think this initial picture of 1xbet online casino prepares us for the 1xbet online casino in Act III.
[Message #6 10:18:45 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
I forgot to say why, in the beginning 1xbet online casino comes across as extremely dependant and not capable of accomplishing things
[Message #7 10:19:01 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
What about 1xbet online casino actions and speeches in that opening scene? What do 1xbet online casino lies, for instance, tell us about 1xbet online casino character?
[Message #8 10:19:05 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
I agree with you Patrick. We are made to think that everything is okay. It is when 1xbet online casino has the conversation about Mr. Krogstad that we see her changing.
[Message #9 10:20:57 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Patrick Knight:
Katie: I think that 1xbet online casino is far from "not exactly strong" at the beginning. 1xbet online casino bends to Torvald's every whim and takes his condescending speech as 'normal' conversation. Nora is completely dependent on Torvald for both monetary and emotional support in Act I.
[Message #10 10:21:29 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Her lies show us that 1xbet online casino is independent and also flawed in many ways. Her lie about the macroons for instance, 1xbet online casino wants to please Torvald. But 1xbet online casino feel that 1xbet online casino has to meet his expectations.
[Message #11 10:23:17 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
In the opening scene Nora's actions come across as someone who is a little deviant. The lies 1xbet online casino tells Torvald about the macaroons was gave a insight to character. Was anyone else bothered by the fact that 1xbet online casino has to lie about eating a macaroon? 1xbet online casino a grown woman.
[Message #12 10:23:37 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
Good point Taureeq (#10) -- are Nora's lies generally the result of 1xbet online casino selfishness or 1xbet online casino desire to please/help others?
[Message #13 10:23:36 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
1xbet online casino is a grown woman. sorry about that
[Message #14 10:23:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
I agree that Nora needs 1xbet online casino husband for support and also wants to do things 1xbet online casino way without disappointing him.
[Message #15 10:23:56 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Katie Patterson:
ok, but isn't a little independance shown when 1xbet online casino takes out a loan by herself? 1xbet online casino doesn't use the money for her children or the house to pay back the loan, but the money for herself.
[Message #16 10:24:13 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #13: Yes: The relationship between Torvald and 1xbet online casino is more of a parent to a child, right?
[Message #17 10:25:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
I agree. There are references to 1xbet online casino being an animal (ie squirrel). Maybe a master/pet relationship in a way.
[Message #18 10:26:20 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Dr. Westman her lies seem to be a result of trying to benefit everyone else. That at some point 1xbet online casino looses herself totally. 1xbet online casino is self-less all around.
[Message #19 10:26:46 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Katie Patterson:
yes, Torvald's always condescending to her and treats her like a child. He doesn't seem to think that 1xbet online casino has a mind of her own.
[Message #20 10:28:33 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
RE: #13 Yes their relaionship does appear to be that of a parent to child. Nora wants to live alittle, but 1xbet online casino doesn't know how, that is why 1xbet online casino breakdown in the end.
[Message #21 10:28:48 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Patrick Knight:
I think that Nora's personality change brings one of the largest 'flaws' in "A Dolls House." 1xbet online casino personality goes from subservient and utterly dependent to completely independent and near self-actualization. That jump, in mere days, is very hard to me to make.
[Message #22 10:29:35 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: 21: It is a big jump: perhaps we would want to say that 1xbet online casino ends the play on the cusp of change, or ready for change, rather than fully "self-actualized"?
[Message #23 10:30:17 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
Do we have qany other signs of 1xbet online casino independence, 1xbet online casino ability to control situations, durng Act I and Act II?
[Message #24 10:34:59 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Katie Patterson:
Taureeq: Besides telling lies to benefit the others, 1xbet online casino is also self-less in sacrificing her own material needs in order to pay off the loan. 1xbet online casino wears cheap dresses in order to save money when 1xbet online casino would rather wear the finer things.
[Message #25 10:38:24 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Patrick Knight:
RE 23: 1xbet online casino is able to control Torvalds actions in minuet ways for bits of independence in Act II. 1xbet online casino was able to convince Torvald not to open the mailbox for a few days. Even this is only the result of 1xbet online casino showing helplessness to Torvald, so he would be sidetracked into helping his 'helpless' wife.
[Message #26 10:38:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
********* Our time is almost up: As a way to sum up our discussion here on 1xbet online casino Æs character, please respond to the following question as a final posting:
Has Nora's character changed during the course of the play? If so, how? If not, what has allowed 1xbet online casino to remain the same? (Please offer an example in your response.)
[Message #27 10:40:15 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
RE: #23- We see Nora in conversation with Mr. Krogstad, who tries to blackmail her. He is afraid that he may lose his job. Act I pg 1145 1xbet online casino says to him go on and try. "It'll turn out worse for you, because my husband will see what a crook you are," Nora let him have it I think. Even though 1xbet online casino is scared about what the outcome would be, 1xbet online casino still standsup to him.
[Message #28 10:42:23 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Katie Patterson:
I think that her character did change and become more independant. The most obvious and important example is when 1xbet online casino tells Torvald that 1xbet online casino 's leaving him and the children.
[Message #29 10:42:42 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Melissa Wood:
I think that 1xbet online casino character is still the same but maybe awake to reality? There is definitely a "growth" there. Patrick talked about how by the end Nora was close to "self-actualization" stage.
[Message #30 10:43:21 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Taureeq Bradley:
Nora's character has changed during the course of the play, because in the beginning 1xbet online casino can stand for what 1xbet online casino believes in, but 1xbet online casino has played the role for so long that in the end 1xbet online casino is tired of playing that role that 1xbet online casino leave that "Doll House" setting.
[Message #31 10:44:42 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Patrick Knight:
Nora changes her character in so many ways its hard to see the 'old' Nora. 1xbet online casino is forsaking a safe and provided life with Torvald to brave the world as a single woman. During these times, single women lived a very hard life. I think this shows that 1xbet online casino realized her being an independent woman was much more important then material items.