Interchange Conference Transcript
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[Message #1 09:26:46 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
In Act I, Nora frequently acts as Torvald's "little lark" and "squirrel"(1131-2); by the end of Act III, Nora tells Torvald 1xbet online casino had "duties to [her]self"(1176) and that 1xbet online casino must leave him and the children. Does the picture of Nora's character in the opening scene and in Act I prepare us at all for the Nora of Act III? Why or why not?
As you respond to the questions above, try to find examples to support your interpretations. Feel free to address 1xbet online casino one of these questions in your first posting, too, so that we can get the discussion rolling....
[Message #2 10:15:08 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think Nora undergoes a major change of character in this play. 1xbet online casino starts as a seemingly sweet, obedient housewife to an inconsiderate, irrational woman.
[Message #3 10:15:46 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I'm not sure that it prepares us for how 1xbet online casino will turn out in Act III... but it certainly gives her motive. If I was called a "lark" or "squirrel" or some other condescending and degrading name like that, even if it was just playful, I would rebel too. 1xbet online casino is being treated something he owns, not something he loves... and certainly not romantically. He is acting more like a father figure. 1xbet online casino certainly has grounds for this change.
[Message #4 10:15:48 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I feel that 1xbet online casino does prepare us for what happens at the end of the play..personally if someone would constantly call me a squirrel and "their little lark" i would leave
[Message #5 10:16:15 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
We're not neccessarily prepared for Nora's complete turn about at the end, or maybe don't expect her to act so confident and collected in her decision. But it's reasonable that 1xbet online casino would change given her "oppressed" living situation
[Message #6 10:16:53 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE; #5: Do we have any hints of 1xbet online casino confidence in that opening scene?
[Message #7 10:17:01 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
"Oppressed" is the operative word in that sentence.
Torvald doesn't even see her... you know really see her. 1xbet online casino is, like 1xbet online casino says at the end, "a doll in his house."
[Message #8 10:17:15 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
No, in fact 1xbet online casino is portrayed as helpless.
[Message #9 10:17:40 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
A little. When 1xbet online casino breaks out the Macaroons... that gives me a sense that 1xbet online casino has a little rebellion in her.
[Message #10 10:17:42 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
well, 1xbet online casino does show confidence in her ability to manipulate torvald into giving her money
[Message #11 10:18:19 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I thought it was really interesting to wathc the Nora's character change...the way 1xbet online casino is first portrayed as sweet and obedient. Then the audience finds out 1xbet online casino has "disobeyed" her husband. And to see her struggle with this and become aware of her ability as a woman was fascinating.
[Message #12 10:18:52 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
1xbet online casino leaving the oppressor at the end was the icing on the cake.
[Message #13 10:19:02 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
but that confidence is not transferred over to 1xbet online casino ability to make real decisions for herself (not just what to buy as Christmas gifts) until the end of the play
[Message #14 10:19:10 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
We have to consider that 1xbet online casino was written in 1879. The fact that a woman would initiate a broken marriage is even more startling.
[Message #15 10:19:56 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
i agree..which is 1xbet online casino Ibsen is considered one of the great playwrights.
[Message #16 10:20:10 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
But when he does give her money... he always tells her that 1xbet online casino is going to squander it and then ask for more. He is such a, word I can't type out in this discussion.
I guess that my favorite part of this play and why it means so much to me, is because it is saying that women normally go from living in their father's house to living in their husband's house. They aren't expected to have this independent time in their lives. And Nora says that 1xbet online casino wants it. 1xbet online casino wants to see if 1xbet online casino can make it on her own. It's amazing that this was written in 1879... it is such a feminist idea.
[Message #17 10:20:28 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
What other moments in Act I or Act II indicate that 1xbet online casino is likely or is able to claim duties to herself, or to leave at the end?
[Message #18 10:20:36 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
True, true. 1xbet online casino life will be a never ending mess from now on, but 1xbet online casino decision frees 1xbet online casino from the expectations of society.
[Message #19 10:21:48 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
The fact alone that 1xbet online casino could get this loan by herself and pay it off by herself without Torvald finding out... gives us the idea that 1xbet online casino can handle the duties that life will hand her. It also give the character independence from societies norms.
[Message #20 10:21:57 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
The fact that 1xbet online casino borrowed all this money without her husband's permission shows how independent 1xbet online casino is. Plus 1xbet online casino knew how to budget her money and work odd jobs to meet the payments. 1xbet online casino was very responsible in these duties to herself.
[Message #21 10:22:09 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I think there is some forshadowing when 1xbet online casino is talking with Kristine. Nora mentions how free 1xbet online casino felt when 1xbet online casino did her "big thing." I think 1xbet online casino just liked the thought of never having to lift a finger...if 1xbet online casino wasn't so stuck on material things 1xbet online casino probably would have left Torvald sooner.
[Message #22 10:22:13 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
1xbet online casino thoughts exactly.
[Message #23 10:23:06 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
I don't think 1xbet online casino would've left him sooner. I think 1xbet online casino really was holding on to that shred of hope that her "miracle" would take place
[Message #24 10:23:44 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
Do you 1xbet online casino Kristine had any influence over Nora's actions?
[Message #25 10:23:51 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I think that the true miracle is that 1xbet online casino finds herself. In the end it isn't what 1xbet online casino expects it to be, but that her miracle is that 1xbet online casino does have the strength to do this and walk out.
[Message #26 10:24:00 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
Her world view was undoubtedly shaped by her culture and I don't think 1xbet online casino realizes that leaving Torvald is an option 'til near the end
[Message #27 10:24:03 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
Bravo!
[Message #28 10:24:35 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think 1xbet online casino was fairly content, I mean 1xbet online casino was humming before the play even started.
[Message #29 10:25:00 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
The stress of the money/forgery just made 1xbet online casino make everything seem worse than it really was.
[Message #30 10:25:05 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I think that Kristine opened Nora's eyes somewhat. 1xbet online casino pretty much told Nora that 1xbet online casino has always had everything handed to her and that her life was perfect and Kristine kind of held it against her. I don't think that a woman had ever looked down on Nora before... it changed her.
[Message #31 10:25:09 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
That's a good question about Kristine. I think 1xbet online casino does serve as an example of independce for Nora
[Message #32 10:25:31 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I find it interesting that this play was written by a man considering it is about a woman's self realization of who 1xbet online casino is and what 1xbet online casino is capable of without a husband.
[Message #33 10:25:40 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: 26: Yes, leaving Torvald is not her first solution to the problem -- 1xbet online casino plans to committ suicide at first.
[Message #34 10:25:58 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
Yah, 1xbet online casino 's always talking about going "to sleep"
[Message #35 10:26:01 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I fogot 1xbet online casino suicide
[Message #36 10:26:05 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
1xbet online casino considers committing suicide? did i miss that?
[Message #37 10:26:11 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
But don't you think Nora was humming because 1xbet online casino was in her own little world, gaurding her little secret and feeling proud of herself?
[Message #38 10:26:16 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
LOL
[Message #39 10:26:34 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
yeah, 1xbet online casino talks to rank about it
[Message #40 10:26:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: 28: A good point, Laura: Nora seems willing to play the role 1xbet online casino is expected to play, to "hum" along and act as a "lark"...and why?
[Message #41 10:26:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
Yah, remember 1xbet online casino had that conversation with Krogstad about the deep dark abyss of death?
[Message #42 10:26:42 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
or no, krogstad
[Message #43 10:26:58 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Well, that changes a little bit of perspective for me... I know that suicide is this taboo word and that it shouldn't be looked on as an independent gesture, but at least 1xbet online casino is looking for options other than staying with her husband...
[Message #44 10:27:11 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
That was 1xbet online casino only way out...
[Message #45 10:28:05 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
I think 1xbet online casino sees herself as expendible, or maybe the sacrifice is worth it to her- to have Torvald and the children be rid of her
[Message #46 10:28:12 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Question: What does everyone think of Nora's relationship to Dr. Rank? Do you think 1xbet online casino perpetuates it? or secretly wants it to happen??
[Message #47 10:28:40 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I think 1xbet online casino secretly wants it to happen. He's a doctor and has money...it's her dream.
[Message #48 10:28:43 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think he was the secret admirer 1xbet online casino kept waiting to give her a big inheritance.
[Message #49 10:29:02 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
The whole Dr. Rank thing intrigued me. I'm going to write about that I 1xbet online casino .
[Message #50 10:29:10 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
And he listens to her... and he sees her. Look at all the clues. I mean, 1xbet online casino tells him everything... he is her emotional companion.
[Message #51 10:29:27 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
1xbet online casino was flirting with him, dangling her stockings in his face. I mean, what does 1xbet online casino expect him to say to her?
[Message #52 10:29:46 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Turning it around though, Laura, you are right... 1xbet online casino teases him.
[Message #53 10:29:52 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I feel sorry for him....he truly know who 1xbet online casino is and 1xbet online casino is treating him like her husband treats her.
[Message #54 10:29:59 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
Dr. Rank was the model husband and served as a foil (is that the right term) to Torvald. 1xbet online casino helped to highlite his faults as a husband
[Message #55 10:30:12 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I'm not sure how much 1xbet online casino wants him... 1xbet online casino just wants him to like her.
[Message #56 10:30:43 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
This also asserts her indepedence because 1xbet online casino is using her sexuality to her advantage... how many women in the 1900's use their sexuality?
[Message #57 10:30:48 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
1xbet online casino wants his money, but with the husband 1xbet online casino has now
[Message #58 10:30:59 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
But, do you think 1xbet online casino flirtation and stuff is just a defense, a safeguard from letting 1xbet online casino mind wander too much?
[Message #59 10:31:00 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think 1xbet online casino enjoys having control over Rank, a sort of power. He'd do anything for her. What girl wouldn't want to keep a guy like that around.
[Message #60 10:31:35 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
Perhaps Rank is aother example of Nora being abole to control someone, the situation? 1xbet online casino 's the one who can set the terms of their relationship? (to add to Laura's comment in #59...)
[Message #61 10:31:42 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
well, after the 50's women used 1xbet online casino sexuality a lot. :)
[Message #62 10:31:44 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I think that that's why he hangs around too... I don't see as great of a friendship between Dr. Rank and Torvald... I see that Rank comes over for 1xbet online casino ... and disguises it as friendship for both.
[Message #63 10:32:43 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
Control is big in Nora's life. Think about it. 1xbet online casino persuades her husband to give her money all the time. 1xbet online casino uses her sexuality to control the doctor. 1xbet online casino forged her father's name to get a loan, which 1xbet online casino had mentioned would throw back in her husbands face if her ever left her.
[Message #64 10:33:37 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #61: and for many decades/centuries before the '50s!
[Message #65 10:33:47 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
And when 1xbet online casino loses control over something, 1xbet online casino has little break downs. I thought that was so interesting the way that after her husband left the room with the letter, 1xbet online casino went crazy and started muttering to herself about what 1xbet online casino needed to do to leave... It's an interesting side to her.
[Message #66 10:33:55 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I think that's why 1xbet online casino leaves--because 1xbet online casino can't control her life in the doll's house. 1xbet online casino is always under the grip of her husband.
[Message #67 10:33:58 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
People who are into sado masochism do say that the submissive is actually the 1xbet online casino dominator.
[Message #68 10:34:03 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Control freaks hate to lose control.
[Message #69 10:34:14 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
That was so profound. :P
[Message #70 10:34:29 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Thank you... 1xbet online casino took some thought.
[Message #71 10:34:50 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
What do you guys 1xbet online casino about Anne Marie?
[Message #72 10:35:59 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
not a lot. 1xbet online casino serves as a mother figure to Nora, but not much of one. nora has complete control over anne marie
[Message #73 10:35:59 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Insignificant. I know that 1xbet online casino probably has some deep meaning... but all I saw her as, was Torvald's true wife and true mother to his children. 1xbet online casino was the model of what Nora wasn't... and it just upset me that 1xbet online casino was submissive, I know 1xbet online casino was a servant... I just didn't see her as intregral to the plot.
[Message #74 10:36:55 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
i never thought of 1xbet online casino as the "true wife and true mother" though, that's an interesting thought abbey
[Message #75 10:37:00 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
So in a sense the characters balanced themselves. The doctor was the ideal 1xbet online casino , the nurse-maid the ideal wife. Interesting.
[Message #76 10:37:12 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
RE: #65: Yes, when 1xbet online casino loses control of herself, 1xbet online casino breaks out of character, out of her role.
[Message #77 10:37:41 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
1xbet online casino is an interesing parallel... I'm so glad I thought of 1xbet online casino ... hahaha J/k
So where does the lawyer come in?? What parallel does 1xbet online casino serve to the play?
[Message #78 10:37:43 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
"role" 1xbet online casino a key word
[Message #79 10:38:11 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Or Ms. Linde... does 1xbet online casino serve a major purpose?
[Message #80 10:38:17 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Karin Westman:
********* Our time is almost up: As a way to sum up our discussion here on 1xbet online casino 's character, please respond to the following question as a final posting:
Has Nora's character changed during the course of the play? If so, how? If not, what has allowed 1xbet online casino to remain the same? (Please offer an example in your response.)
[Message #81 10:38:22 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
1xbet online casino and Kristina are the catalysts
[Message #82 10:39:11 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
I think that 1xbet online casino is the same throughout the play, but the course of events have now led her to believe more in herself and be outright with her true character. I don't think 1xbet online casino necessarily changed, but 1xbet online casino definetly was more true to herself by walking out and doing as 1xbet online casino pleased.
[Message #83 10:39:11 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
yeah, 1xbet online casino offers everybody a way out by getting krogstad off their case, and I think as mentioned earlier, 1xbet online casino serves as an example to nora of independence
[Message #84 10:39:30 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
I 1xbet online casino Nora's character took a 180 degree spin: from the perfect little homemaker to an irrational woman.
[Message #85 10:39:50 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Abby Hiles:
Irrational is kind of a harsh word to use...
[Message #86 10:40:08 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
I feel her character has changed. In the beginning of the play 1xbet online casino was happy playing the housewife role, but in the end 1xbet online casino realizes that 1xbet online casino was doing just that..playing the roll of the doll in a doll's house.
[Message #87 10:41:31 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Laura Heck:
Perfectly put, Nichole
[Message #88 10:41:50 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Nichole Garbarino:
thanks :)
[Message #89 10:42:05 AM, Thursday, March 06, 2003]
Megan Robinson:
Yes, 1xbet online casino has become more confident with exerting her own desires and not cloaking them with the pettiness society expects her to focus on. 1xbet online casino becomes honest with herself and others....