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(pp.182-297)
- June 27, 2000
- Karin Westman:
- As Laura told us yesterday, Woolf wrote the following to
G. L. Dickinson about *The Waves*: &1xbet sports betting ;I wanted to give the
sense of continuity, instead of which most people say, no you've
given the sense of flowing and passing away and that nothing
matters. Yet I feel things matter quite immensely. What the significance
is, heaven knows I can't guess; but there is significance --
that I feel overwhelmingly&1xbet sports betting ; (Letter #2460, 27 Oct 1931).
- Do you think that Woolf's novel conveys &1xbet sports betting ;the sense of
continuity&1xbet sports betting ; or &1xbet sports betting ;the sense of flowing and passing away
and that nothing matters&1xbet sports betting ;? What might be the &1xbet sports betting ;significance&1xbet sports betting ;
offered in the novel, especially by the end?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- 1xbet sports betting ---last night's reading connected 1xbet sports betting and life experiences.
the sense of continuity comes from 1xbet sports betting moving, like waves. the
characters evolve further and things that matter change, as all
perceptions do with maturity. i didn't get to the end.
- Banks Yatsula:
- absolutely the novel conveys a sense of continuity. the structure
itself of the novel is continuous and im sure 1xbet sports betting was very difficult
to stick to the form in which 1xbet sports betting was written. in the greater
sense of the word, the novel conveys the idea that life is a
continuous process with its ebbing and flowing, we as humans
are here to embrace 1xbet sports betting and not everyone embraces 1xbet sports betting the same
way. And even more importantly, each person changes in the course
of life so that we may fell, at any given moment, something different
about the same thing.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- definate continuity because they are interactive throughout
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- Doug Grant:
- I was going to say the same thing Elizabeth did. The passage
of 1xbet sports betting is like the waves and their is definitely a signifcance,
even if it is an elusive one.
- Banks Yatsula:
- 1xbet sports betting is not necessarily the idea that nothing matters, because
things do matter....1xbet sports betting seems more the question of how and when
things matter and at which point do we let go of what once mattered?
- Karin Westman:
- So what exactly about 1xbet sports betting are we to take away from the novel?
That we should embrace it? That we have a choice? That we should
use it in a cetain way?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- they are connected because they measure 1xbet sports betting together and
expericence 1xbet sports betting differently. that fascinates me. how does it
end?
- Doug Grant:
- 1xbet sports betting matters and 1xbet sports betting doesn't matter does not effect continuity,
although the importance of 1xbet sports betting does really matter has a direct
bearing on how we percieve the overall continuity.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I don't feel the novel is expressing a real &1xbet sports betting ;sense of
continuity,&1xbet sports betting ; despite Woolf's intentions. I think the reflections
and experiences of the characters do flow and pass, but I don't
believe that because of a lack of continuity that the novel and
all of the characters somehow don't convey any &1xbet sports betting ;meaning.&1xbet sports betting ;
I think there is meaning there, but that it's sort of poetical,
and I think it alludes the reader because he or she might have
expectations for a work set in a novel form which depend on themes
which are more conrete. Like Woolf, though, I'm having difficulty
on pin-pointing what exactly the meaning is. Maybe it is to embrace
life's unpredictabilities and our multiple identities to their
fullest potential. If things weren't so impermanent, then nothing
would matter.
- Banks Yatsula:
- oddly, I enjoyed the lst part of the novel much more that
the first. 1xbet sports betting seems to speak to that part of us which is able
to see youth and able to appreciate youth and its innocence which
we may have lost, and i have not yet decided if its loss is a
good thing, but 1xbet sports betting certainly is eye-opening
- Elizabeth Davis:
- 1xbet sports betting is a choice, rather, 1xbet sports betting is used constructively in
differen fasets. 1xbet sports betting is also continouous, like rolling waves,
and should be embraced in the moment or in retrospection, as
all characters do.
- Karin Westman:
- Given that we get Bernard's view of his life in the last
section, does he feel he has used his time constuctively? And
want makes actions &1xbet sports betting ;constructive&1xbet sports betting ;? (i.e: Helping yourself?
Helping others?)
- Doug Grant:
- The issue of 1xbet sports betting is so complicated because although hardly
anyone would argue against the fact that 1xbet sports betting moves too rapidly,
here the question is whether or not it should be embraced.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- and, because time is continuous there is a sense of permanance.
Bernard says &1xbet sports betting ;our live too stream away, down the unlighted
avenues, past the strip of time, unidentified&1xbet sports betting ;(227)--i guess
that means life and time are continuous and are defined only
in the moment. and past moments get blurred and significant memories
and ideas fade, like the poem in his head.
- Banks Yatsula:
- yes i think that the word &1xbet sports betting ;constructive&1xbet sports betting ; does play
a part in time and its passage. somehow, if we think we have
been constructive, we are able to eal with time's passage much
more easily. On the other hand, if we think time has been wasted
we feel worthless and depressed, as if we amount to nothing
- Karin Westman:
- What, then, does Woolf's novel offer as the better way (if
not the &1xbet sports betting ;right&1xbet sports betting ; way) to live life, to experience time?
- Doug Grant:
- I agree with Banks in that we need to feel we have been construcitve
in using 1xbet sports betting and hope that we don't look back and see that we've
wasted it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I agree with Banks about the concept of how things &1xbet sports betting ;matter&1xbet sports betting ;
in the book. Placing meaning on something is very fluid for each
of the book's characters.
- Do you feel maybe Woolf wants us to abandon our fixations
on 1xbet sports betting and using it to its fullest? Do you feel she wants us
to escape into unpredictability and just experience, rather than
trying to capture every moment in a story the way Bernard does?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- Neville says the best way to experience 1xbet sports betting is to keep walking
(227).
- Banks Yatsula:
- on pg 288....Bernard asks himself if he is &1xbet sports betting ;one and
distinct&1xbet sports betting ; and cannot find division between himself and the
others....that is sort of deoressing but it is accurate because
ultimately we (our bodies and our minds) are bound by the constraints
of time...We all age we all deteriorate...thus in this way we
are one; we share the experience of that journey through life
and into the journey of death.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- woolf seems to think the best way to experience 1xbet sports betting is live
for the moment but recall the past.
- Doug Grant:
- I didn't really think of Jennifer's question until she asked
it, but now I think that maybe that is one idea that Woolf is
trying to convey, to stop concentrating on 1xbet sports betting so much and just
go with the flow.
- Banks Yatsula:
- I see Elizabeth D,'s point.....we must live with a passion,
but we must also be able to look at those passions a smomentary
and then be able to embrace something else......without 1xbet sports betting
ability to be mutable we surely shall perish within our own minds
- Karin Westman:
- So, Neville is one who recognizes the need to keep on walking,
as ELizabeth mentions, though he also likes the stability of
his room and poems. What about hte other characters? How well
are they able to negotiate this flux of 1xbet sports betting that we've been
identifying?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- and isn't the point of the book to explore six perceptions
of the same experience? woolf then would be saying we experience
life intellectually, emotionally, physically, etc. at different
times. one cannot explore all human facets at the same 1xbet sports betting .
right?
- Karin Westman:
- Good point, Elizabeth, about Woolf's emphasis on living in
the present/recalling the past. Is there one character who can
do 1xbet sports betting best?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- &1xbet sports betting ;going with the flow&1xbet sports betting ; is a perfect phrase, Jennifer
and Doug.
- Banks Yatsula:
- well, since we hear the most from Bernard, we are able to
see his ability to recall the past. But 1xbet sports betting is hard to say if
he truly lived in the present...he was certainly obsessed with
recording the present.
- Doug Grant:
- I'd say that Bernard is the character who we should most
concentrate on concerning this question about 1xbet sports betting passing and
how we should approach viewing it.
- Banks Yatsula:
- on the other hand, it does seem as though Jinny had a more
difficult 1xbet sports betting with aging, I say this mostly because she was
all about the physical and about socializing. She continued to
apply that lipstick and to receive visitors...it is a sthough
she lived on the surface to some degree. But she was also aware
of it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- Do you feel Woolf doesn't want us to view 1xbet sports betting as constraining?
From the way she presents her characters, we must infer their
age or certain stages within their life. Why do you feel that
Woolf felt (assuming she felt this way because she didn't include
it) age and other details were not necessary in creating her
characters? While their thoughts all convey different impressions
of the life around them, they seemed wrap up into one consciousness.
I'm sure everonne's tired of talking about the 1xbet sports betting theme, but
maybe the idea of these characters experiencing things simultaneously
reduces the friction between living and an impending sense of
fleeting 1xbet sports betting .
- Banks Yatsula:
- so again, what are we to do with 1xbet sports betting 's passage? hmmmm....
- Karin Westman:
- OK: So, so far we have Woolf representing a sense of continuity,
rather than only a passing away, and that there may be significance
in Bernard's approach towards experience above others'. Any other
thoughts her on what &1xbet sports betting ;significance&1xbet sports betting ; you all feel we
are asked to draw from the book?
- Elizabeth Davis:
- Neville and Bernard seem to be the strongest &1xbet sports betting ;recallers.&1xbet sports betting ;
but jinny say's &1xbet sports betting ;time's fangs have ceased their devouring.
We have triumphed over the abysses of space, awith rought,e with
powder, with flimsy pocket-handkerchiefs&1xbet sports betting ; she recalls the
past by acknowledging the present.
- Karin Westman:
- So, there may be some way to feel conneted, feel in control
of 1xbet sports betting continuity through material objects, too?
- Karin Westman:
- Jennifer's offered a good point here about the tension between
imposed ideas/orders of 1xbet sports betting and fluidity: Characters certainly
do feel constrained by 1xbet sports betting , in a negative way: Is it ever helpful,
too?
- Banks Yatsula:
- it seems important to mention that when one views the past,
one's view is tainted by the present. Perhaps that is why we
feel as though &1xbet sports betting ;nothing matters,&1xbet sports betting ; and why we always
feel as though we &1xbet sports betting ;must. Must. MUST.&1xbet sports betting ; We must so that
we may apply meaning to our lives, for if there is no meaning
then time has been wasted.....it's a cycle just as the waves
are.
- Elizabeth Davis:
- sure, it makes sense that one would try to control 1xbet sports betting with
objects...like flowers, make-up, studies. the outcome is the
same....the only way to control 1xbet sports betting is suicide. otherwise, 1xbet sports betting
keeps moving and takes you with it.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- I thought Elizabeth's point about the multiplke perceptions
of the same experience is important. The multiplicities of experiencing
is an idea I 1xbet sports betting Woolf might want her readers to grab most.
- Karin Westman:
- The tyranny of the word &1xbet sports betting ;must&1xbet sports betting ; then is in tension
with the fluidity of experiencing the world: the must is necessary
to give some meaning but will necessarily limit (perhaps even
helpfully limit, otherwise you can end up like Rhoda?)?
- Doug Grant:
- Maybe the best way to come to a conclusion about this question
of 1xbet sports betting is to move away from it as an issue and concentrate more
on the idea of perception. 1xbet sports betting is made a negative thing only
through characters' perceptions, so a change in that might help
to achieve a better understanding
- Banks Yatsula:
- so perhaps there is something about life that leaves us with
the feeling of things left undone....like Bernard's book, or
like the grass is always greener; 1xbet sports betting seems tied to the ideas
of imperialism, the need to conquer....but then there is always
the need to break away from 1xbet sports betting constraint and the need to appreciate
the natural placement of things and acknowledge the beauty of
differences---between countries and individuals
- Karin Westman:
- Good point, Doug, about time being a perception: even the
&1xbet sports betting ;structure&1xbet sports betting ; of the day interludes are the way humans
interpret time.
- ****As a final posting, offer these three items:
- 1. one theme that you think Woolf explores in the novel,
2. an example of 1xbet sports betting , and 3. say whether you think 1xbet sports betting 's a theme
of To the Lighthouse, too.
- Banks Yatsula:
- The &1xbet sports betting ;must&1xbet sports betting ; definitely constrains. It is not any
different today. There is always teh desire to be the best, to
have the most, and then there are those who wish to reject this
&1xbet sports betting ;best and Most&1xbet sports betting ; attitude. Louis was caught up in this
&1xbet sports betting ;must&1xbet sports betting ; was hw not?
- Doug Grant:
- 1. Are we using our 1xbet sports betting wisely and living our lives to the
fullest, are we going to regret not choosing another path?
- 2 Bernard's struggle through the novel to answer 1xbet sports betting question
is an example
- 3. Definitely pertains to themes from To the Lighthouse
- Elizabeth Davis:
- woof wants the reader to explore the perception of time and
its effects over the course of life. Bernard says &1xbet sports betting ;we have
been walking for hours it seeems. But where? i cannot remember...i
am not called upon to give my opinion&1xbet sports betting ;(235). he equates
memory with opinion and opinions, as noted earlier, change. therefore,
memory offers a skewed perception.
- as for the Lighthouse, memory and 1xbet sports betting are parallel themes
here.
- Jennifer Boyd Cook:
- Woolf wants her readers to appreciate the multiple ways of
experience life, of interpreting it, etc. There is a passage
setting up Bernard's and Neville's contemplations over identity
on pg. 75. There is a flower sitting on a window-sill and then
there is the image or reflection of the flower in the window-sill.
Woolf writes, &1xbet sports betting ;Yet the phantom was part of the flower, for
when a bud broke free, the paler flower in the glass opened a
bud, too.&1xbet sports betting ; (75). This highlights the theme of varying impressions
Woolf's characters get as they go through life. While there many
instances in which each character chimes in with a different
version of the same experience, I think this image is reminding
the reader that for everything that happens, there is a refelction
of it in multiple impressions, and that identity and perception
demand this multiplicity to be complete.
- Banks Yatsula:
- !. the tyranny of 1xbet sports betting and the mutability of self.
- 2. Bernard is ultimately subjected to 1xbet sports betting 's passage, and
it seems to leave him as a subject of 1xbet sports betting ' passage. He seems
to be represented as a chronicler (is that a word?) even if is
ultimately one of the casualties of 1xbet sports betting itself.
- 3. This idea of 1xbet sports betting as permanant and unwavering and of humans
as merely caught up in the natural scheme of things seems to
be a big issue in both novels, only the idea is taken to fruition
with The Waves
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